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About Jesse

I'm an Ex-Jw that left the faith of my parents after years of study and research.

New show coming soon!

Hey everyone!

Sorry about our insane delay between shows, but last night we finally recorded another show. It’s all about why we are atheist and we invited two new people to the party. Alex, George’s little brother and Tie a friend we made while in Iowa at the convention. Tie was never a Jehovahs witness and Alex never bought into the JDub cult so we were able to add some new perspectives. We are hoping to have the show Edited and posted Saturday night. We hope you enjoy and once again apologize for the delay.

Jesse


What JWs think of Harold Camping

As promised in this week’s podcast I decided to post some of the opinions of active JWs regarding the recent end-time predictions of familyradio. While my post is awaiting approval of a moderator I did find a couple pages of responses to a thread titled “Christian groups says Armageddon coming May 21, 2011. What follows is a compilation of JW brilliance.

I tried to keep make this post easy to understand since it gets a bit complicated with people quoting others who are quoting others.  I didn’t edit any of their posts so don’t blame me for misspelled words or pathetic grammar.   

Names of posters are BOLD black

My thoughts are italic

First post May 10th, 5:12 pm

Leannsmarie:

These kind of predictions come and go, of course.

Whats interesting is the amount of money this group has spend advertising their belief.

I feel sorry for those who are misled by them and have already sold or given away their belongings.

Whats worse is this sort of thing is what apostates and enemies of the kingdom latch onto about what happened within Jehovah’s organization in 1975 and they bring it up again.

Case in point: Sheri Shepherd on The View (U.S. chat show) today mentioned 1975 and Witnesses when discussing this very story.

First Response May 10th, 8:10pm

Faith84:

Wow,I hope they’re wrong I’m going to an amusement park with my family on May 21st.

But seriously the end is coming.That is true.

Yesterday I was speaking with a 92 year old brother who’s been in the truth for 60 yrs and he said to us

“Time has changed,things are going faster and there is an anxiousness in the air.”

This systems panting on to the end .

Dages:

Yes, they calculate this date because, God said to Noah that, in 7 days, he will start the flood.

7 days => 7000 years. The flood was, according to them, in -4990… +7000 = 2011

21 may because, the 17th of the second month (hebrew calendar).

Anniebea:

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“Time has changed, things are going faster and there is an anxiousness in the air.

This systems panting on to the end.”

 

So very true, the anxiousness is very obvious even to non witnesses

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“Time has changed,things are going faster and there is an anxiousness in the air.

This systems panting on to the end .

So very true, the anxiousness is very obvious even to non witnesses”

 

Some people have even stopped congregating because they feel the end is not coming soon. But now is not the time for us to be like Lot’s wife.

Jabriol:

I attended my SAD and our gust Speaker Felice Episcopo, said the following in Spanish: “this year the US is planning on celebrating 9/11 1oth anniversary…If we make it…”

Armaggedon can happen any day now..so………..

Jabriol then quotes leannsmarie

 

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Some people have even stopped congregating because they feel the end is not coming soon. But now is not the time for us to be like Lot’s wife.

 

This is really the worst moment to stop attending meeting.

Even if the end would be not soon, this world is critical and we do need the spiritual encouragement we received every weeks.

My wife and I have our SDA this saturday… can’t wait for it!

Joel then started a new topic about the same subject and the two topics are tied together.

Joelferr:

I saw a HUGE sign that says Judgement day May 21 lol O_o hahaha what are you thoughts on this?

The next guy Jeremy used to be a moderator for the site but he has recently resigned and deactivated his membership. Hopefully he went rogue but he probably just sank further into the org and decided the site wasn’t society approved.

Jeremy:

Hi Joel. some of us shared our thoughts on this over here THE END: – Does Jesus know the day NOW? It would seem the May 21 parody is all over the place. Sad thing is, although we might see it as funny, so many are confused.

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I saw a HUGE sign that says Judgement day May 21 lol O_o hahaha what are you thoughts on this?

well i know that some people say that the world will end at 21/12/2012 acording with the maia callender. so it maybe that.
i found it amussing to see here in portugal so many people beliving in that but when we say the end is near?!? (He then posted a whistling smiley face)

Ava:

I saw on the news couple months back that there is some religious group touring the country and telling people the world is going go end on May 21, 2011. Can’t think of their name, but if I remember, I’ll post it.  

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I saw on the news couple months back that there is some religious group touring the country and telling people the world is going go end on May 21, 2011. Can’t think of their name, but if I remember, I’ll post it.

I think the man’s name is Harold Campy or Camping, something like that. He has a radio program and it is on billboards in the Stark, Summit, Trumbull, and other counties around in Ohio. He believes he will be going to heaven on May 21st as will all “true believers.” He does use the name Jehovah, but believes that Christ Jesus is Jehovah…..so no true enlightenment here.

(This zinger is followed up by a face that’s shaking its head…no…)

Dages:

This is because of Revelation 22… last verse : 21 May

Precision:

Sounds like 1999 just before Y2K

Catalyst:

In Matthew 24:44 Jesus said . . .
On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready,
because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.
*** w04 3/1 p.16 says:
The coming (or, arriving) referred to a number of times at Matthew 24:29-44 is at “the great tribulation.”
So does this mean that if I think “OK it is not coming on such and such a date ” then that means that it might be that date.
It could also mean that as far as we can see with out limited perception it is not the time for it.
But that could mean that it is the time, because we don’t think it is.
The best advice is here

*** w03 12/15 p. 20 par. 2 Prove Yourself Ready for Jehovah’s Day ***
Since we do not know the precise time, it is vital that we take to heart the words of our yeartext for 2004: “Keep on the watch . . . Prove yourselves ready..
Are you ready !  

Micah:

Why this year???? That is the only part I am confused about?  

(I kind of feel bad for this guy, he posted a thread asking for people’s opinions on college. While a couple witnesses said that he should go to school, the majority told him it was a bad idea. According to his post he is married with a few kids and is working for minimum wage. This is the unfortunate story of the Witnesses. If you try to better yourself and your family, they look down on you because you aren’t living a simple life and “throwing your burdens on Jehovah.”)

Trottigy:

“Haubert says the Bible contains coded “proofs” that reveal the timing. For example, he says, from the time of Noah’s flood to May 21, 2011, is exactly 7,000 years.”

He should get an “All Scriptures is Inspired Book” and look at page 286 –

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Adding 427 years to 1943 B.C.E. brings us to 2370 B.C.E. Thus the timetable of the Bible shows that the Deluge of Noah’s day began in 2370 B.C.E.

Um 2011 + 2370 = 4381 – 1 for no zero = 4,380 years from flood not 7,000. Humans have only been here for a little over 6,000 (4026+2011= 6037-1=6,036 years). It is crazy reasoning like this that got people to the 1975 date. (Cognitive dissonance…………)

I wonder what he will be saying 2 weeks from now – May 24th?

Lunaglobal:

Mathew 24:42
He does not know the date

Trottigy:

He looks like a good Christian. (A laughing face follows this witty line)

Blaquerose19:

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wonder what he will be saying 2 weeks from now – May 24th?

my bad we made a mistake…it’s 2012 not 2011

Trottigy:

You know, isn’t this just like the devil – to make fun of what is really coming. He is the master at distraction.
Now when we talk about the end coming – they will be even less likely to believe us. They’ll think we are jokes – just like this group. (Yea….people already feel that way)
Especially, since he says – “The Bible Guarantees it”. Making a joke out of God’s Word too. Boy some days you wake up and you are even more upset at the devil then the day before ….. OK, that is like everyday!

Sunshine:

Three things come to mind…
One is that there must be SOMEbody making some money out of this somewhere.
Two that it’s just another way Satan is trying to discredit the bible (because lots of people will believe it says something along those lines somewhere)
and three…
We’ll probably be blamed for the whole thing on Wikipedia (Yes, because people are just looking for random stupid shit to blame witnesses for…………..persecution complex?)

LunaGlobal:

When I see this man this verse stands out at me….And I quote” LOOK! There is one that is pregnant with what is hurtful,
And he has conceived trouble and is bound to give birth to falsehood.
Psalms 7:14 In this weeks bible reading for Thurs night meeting.

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Apparently this man also predicted “the end” would happen on September 1994.
Well me being interested in how he came to his conclusion(not overly interested) I decided to look him up on wikipedia. This is what I found about how he came up with the idea of May 11th 2011. Satan really has his mind set on misleading people today, it’s just strange, interesting new ideas have been popping up lately that I’ve never heard.

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Camping teaches that a Biblical calendar has been hidden according to Daniel 12:9, Revelation 22:10 detailing the imminent end of the world (with alleged Biblical evidence pointing to the date for the Rapture as May 21, 2011);[9] of the “end of the church age” (which asserts that churches are no longer the vehicle used by God for salvation, 1 Peter 4:17);[10] and of predestination (Ephesians 1:4-5), according to which God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved.

Let’s just put this whole thing to rest so we don’t get sidetracked and lets focus on what Jehovah wants us to do NOW. Matt 28:19,20, and lets not forget the last part of verse 20 “I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things”. So let’s stay focused
(P.S. I can’t help but to notice Sian and Jeremy deactivated)

Trottigy:

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(P.S. I can’t help but to notice Sian and Jeremy deactivated )
They will be missed. Maybe, we will see them again.

Gordon:

He is right about one thing, there will be an end. (And wrong about so many things)

Janewadar:

I do hope not, I have a visitor that weekend!

Loginphp:

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They will be missed. Maybe, we will see them again.

I sure hope so too! The forum feels just a tad bit empty for obvious reasons

Sorry to bring up another point on this topic, but just to drive our point home about all this before I’m done with this thread, I wanted to add my last bit of comment~

Not knowing the day or the hour is a GOOD THING. Let’s understand that

Here are 5 reasons why we don’t WANT to know the day or the hour. (unless Jehovah decided to reveal it)

1. Not knowing the day or hour allows us to reveal what’s in our hearts.
It teaches us long-suffering and since we don’t know the day or hour then we are allowing the REAL us to be revealed. We’re not focusing on time.

2. Us not knowing the day or hour makes Jehovah’s heart glad because we’re serving him out of Love, not a set-date.
Ephesians 3:17to have the Christ dwell through [YOUR] faith in YOUR hearts with love; that YOU may be rooted and established on the foundation” Imagine if we knew the day, how that could maybe even corrupt our spiritual focus, and imagine the disappointment it would cause if we based all of our energy on that, rather our focus is distorted intentionally or not.
Pro 13:12 tells us “Expectation postponed is making the heart sick, but the thing desired is a tree of life when it does come.

3. Not knowing the day or hour helps us to set aside selfish goals.
Imagine if everybody knew that day or hour ahead of time; imperfect inclinations of wanting to carry out selfish goals before the day of Armageddon can ruin us. (Even now, we still need to be careful with that)

4. Not knowing the day or hour teaches us to rely more on Jehovah God.
Hebrews 10:36 says “For YOU have need of endurance, in order that, after YOU have done the will of God, YOU may receive the [fulfillment of the] promise.”
Matthew 24:13 “But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” We can only rely on Jehovah and endure by prayer and the example of his Son.

5. Not knowing the day our hour acts as a refining for us.
Psalms 119:71 tells us “It is good for me that I have been afflicted, in order that I may learn your regulations.
2Corinthians 6:4-6 tells us “but in every way we recommend ourselves as God’s ministers, by the endurance of much, by tribulations, by cases of need, by difficulties, 5 by beatings, by prisons, by disorders, by labors, by sleepless nights, by times without food, 6 by purity, by knowledge, by long-suffering, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,”

Sunshine:

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(P.S. I can’t help but to notice Sian and Jeremy deactivated)
They will be missed. Maybe, we will see them again.

really. oh I will miss them… still with the slaves encouragement to use our time wisely maybe they are just “economising”… (I know what you’re thinking, “Does JWtalk have spell check?” The answer is…….yes……but JWs must not use it)

Hammerhead:

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Mathew 24:42

He does not know the date.

 

dont have my bible in front of me but if you are refering to Jesus not knowing date there have been articles or a questions from readers on the subject. Jesus was elevated in position to Gods right hand and also since becoming King of Gods Kingdom its logical Jehovah would have given him the information by the time he was instructed to go forth subduing in midst of his enemies. Also proving his faithfulness until death he could be trusted with that information and to further be used to carry out Gods purposes at the appointed time. Just my .02  

Lady Tee:

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They will be missed. Maybe, we will see them again.
really. oh I will miss them… still with the slaves encouragement to use our time wisely maybe they are just “economising”…

 

l have noticed this too, but as a new person here l don’t know how to bring it up. Can anyone let us know what is happening to them? It has really affected the atmosphere here.

Trottigy:

Good article –
CNN  (Here is the link he was referring to http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/my-take-may-21st-doomsday-movement-harms-christianity/ )
I liked the analogy about the boy who cried wolf. This does desensitize people to what is really coming.

Ava:

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You know, isn’t this just like the devil – to make fun of what is really coming. He is the master at distraction.

Now when we talk about the end coming – they will be even less likely to believe us. They’ll think we are jokes – just like this group.

Especially, since he says – “The Bible Guarantees it”. Making a joke out of God’s Word too. Boy some days you wake up and you are even more upset at the devil then the day before ….. OK, that is like everyday!

This is exactly how I feel.

When people here us, they think we are some crazy religious group like all the others and they don’t listen. Satan is the one behind it. (Or maybe you’re all just crazy religious groups)

Trottigy:

2 Cor 4:4 – He has blinded the mind of the unbelievers so the glorious good news about the Christ might not shine through – or something like that  

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You know, isn’t this just like the devil – to make fun of what is really coming. He is the master at distraction.

Now when we talk about the end coming – they will be even less likely to believe us. They’ll think we are jokes – just like this group.

Especially, since he says – “The Bible Guarantees it”. Making a joke out of God’s Word too. Boy some days you wake up and you are even more upset at the devil then the day before ….. OK, that is like everyday!
This is exactly how I feel.

When people here us, they think we are some crazy religious group like all the others and they don’t listen. Satan is the one behind it.

~Jerry
Great scripture Jerry, and the sad part is that when that time really does come, just as we as Jehovah’s people have been proclaiming, how will people react after being influenced by false predictions such as Harold Camping? We also don’t want to be influenced by such thinking of the world.
Read Genesis 19:14Hence Lot went on out and began to speak to his sons-in-law who were to take his daughters, and he kept on saying: “Get up! Get out of this place, because Jehovah is bringing the city to ruin!” But in th eyes of his sons-in-law he seemed like a man who was joking.
Yes, they will have to know eventually, one way or another that Jehovah is the True God. (Read Jeremiah 16:21) Some of us also may get to thinking “Oh well, you know, the end won’t happen in my days, it’s far off!”, ok, but you know, the end will happen in SOMEONES days, SOMEONE in this Kingdom Hall is going to be here when the Great Tribulation starts. SOMEONE is going to see Armageddon when it starts. So the point is that we don’t want to let go of our urgency of the last days either. (1Cor 2:14-16)

And so concludes the JWs and their thoughts on Harold Camping. As more information is posted I will add it to this post. I personally thought it was funny how a few of them brought up 1975 but then brushed it off as if nothing really happened. I think this is because people are aware that something happened but most of them believe the society when they claim that people misunderstood the Watchtower Societies writings. It shocked me how many people were annoyed that this end-time prediction was wrong and since it was wrong it was going to water down their end-time prediction. I hope everyone enjoyed this opportunity to chuckle at some JWs.

 

Jesse


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Episode 4 coming soon!

Hello everyone,

George and I would like to start off by apologizing for the delay in the release of our fourth episode. We got home from the National Atheist convention Sunday night and didn’t have time today to record a new episode. The good news is that we will, for sure have an episode this week. We are hoping to have it posted Tuesday night if everything works out as planned.

I have already done most of the research and decided on a new “Holy shit, that’s in the bible” topic. We plan to also discuss my favorite speech of the weekend “Are atheists angry?” by Greta Christina. We also had two encounters with religious people that were attempting to save us from the fate of hellfire, and one girl even gave us a book by Mark Cahill who’s Christian quality of honesty is brought into question by his dishonest quote mining tactics. Finally, we will talk to George West again to see how his recent meeting with the elders went. Again we apologize for the delay and thanks for listening.

Jesse


Jehovah’s Witnesses – a religion of D-Bags!

When most people think of Jehovah’s Witnesses they imagine two friendly, well dressed people knocking on their doors early on a Saturday morning. Little do they know that these bible peddling religious zealots are quite the douche bags. Where do I get my information to support this idea you may ask? Well, from experience and evidence like a true atheist should.

When a Jehovah’s Witness knocks on your door they may talk about, all the suffering caused by man and the shitty world that we are living in. Of course they won’t bring up all the pain and suffering their organization has caused people. I could bring up the people killed in Malawi or the families destroyed by the rules on blood transfusion, but most people already know about those issues. What they don’t know about is how much JWs love to gossip. Honestly, they gossip about everything and anything! It even happens in the households of elders and servants. When I was growing up as a witness two of my closest friends were bothers and their father was an elder. Well, almost every time that I would eat dinner at their home, we would all gather together as a family around their dinner table. This was strange for me, because I was used to eating in front of the television with my mom watching the Nickelodeon show “Doug.” While my less spiritual family would talk about the show my friends “holier than thou” family would gossip………..about everyone!

“Is John dating Betty? I hope he knows that she doesn’t go out in service. Who was that woman sitting next to Mike; he isn’t free to remarry, is he? Did you hear about Lisa getting disfellowshipped? When she was at our hall she was such a nice sister but she spent way too much time with Bobby out in service. I wonder if that’s why she was disfellowshipped?”

Then the youngest one would chime in, “Well I heard from Ben that she was smoking at school the other day” And, you know what else! Jamie was in the Christmas play at school!”

The mother would reply, “Are you serious? It’s sad how far people will drift when they stop attending the meetings.”

You don’t have to be a genius to realize that gossip sucks. And, the sad thing is, this was only one of the many people that I would catch constantly, gossiping, judging and condemning other people. But, in the witness world it doesn’t stop there…….it takes another ugly turn!

“Well, I heard a rumor about your brother and um…….well I wanted to ask you about it and, um…….I guess see how you are doing”

This comment is known as the “I want more information so I’m going to act like I’m concerned; so, I can have an excuse to call you, method of information extraction!”

This shit happens all the time in the wonderful world of the JWs. Now, let’s think about this like rational people. Let’s for instance say that a family member was just kicked out of the organization. For a witness this is a sad time, almost as sad as a death in the family. Do you honestly think that someone wants to talk about something so devastating for them? Perhaps they can handle one call, maybe two but three, four, five………………..and on to seventy-two, kind of becomes a little overwhelming. Mind your own damn business people! If they want to tell they will and if they don’t they won’t (this can apply to the world outside the JW congregations too). Leave them alone! But, instead of leaving people alone JWs get all the information they can and then pass it on to the next person who calls to extract more information and the ugly cycle goes on and on and on. While you may think you are the only one asking questions, keep in mind that you probably aren’t, because if something motivated you to go rumor hunting it probably had the same affect on someone else. I think that’s enough of that rant, so, on to my next point .

I’m going to illustrate for a second with a story about two very close twin brothers, one is named Joe and the other is Bob.

Bob and Joe went car shopping together one beautiful summer day. Both Bob and Joe had always purchased only Toyotas and nothing else. When they arrive at the Toyota dealership Bob tells Joe that he’s been doing months and months of research and that he’s not sure that he wants to purchase a Toyota, and that is where the story begins:

Bob: “Hey, Joe there is something really important that I wanted to discuss with you today.”

Joe: “Oh yea? What was that Bob?”

Bob: “Well Joe, I know that we both have always bought Toyotas and that our parents before us always bought Toyotas and that their parents always bought Toyotas but…..I’m thinking about trying something else out.”

Joe: “What!? Buy something else? Really, but why Bob? We both know that Toyotas are the best car in the world, why would you bother driving anything else?”

Bob: “Well, Joe I did some research and Toyotas may not actually be the best car in the world.”

Joe: “I know that that Toyotas aren’t perfect Bob, but they are the best car on the market.”

Bob: “That may not be true Joe. In fact some Toyotas have cost people their lives because the breaks didn’t work properly.”

Joe: “Um, Bob you haven’t been reading anti-Toyota literature have you? Or visiting the Honda website? You know that none of that stuff is true, it’s just anti-Toyota propaganda created by other manufacturers to steal our loyalty from the only car company that cares about us as individuals!”

Bob: “I know it may surprise you but the concerns are legitimate. There have been many studies, reviews, and tests pointing out serious flaws in Toyotas, all with diligent and proper evidence, footage, and paperwork supporting the claims. I have even seen video on a traffic camera. The guy couldn’t stop! It’s all there on tape Joe, and the mechanics did find something wrong with the car.”

Joe: “Bob, you just believe everything that you hear, don’t you? Of course the mechanics said that, they work for Honda, and they just don’t want to see you drive off the lot today in a new Toyota.”

Bob: “Look Joe, if you want to buy a Toyota that’s fine, I’m completely cool with it. I just don’t want to drive a car I don’t feel comfortable in and I don’t want my kids to ride in one either.”

Joe: “WOW! You are so arrogant Bob! What makes you think that you know better than everyone in the family that has driven Toyotas before you? Just wait till I tell mom, she’s going to be so disappointed in you.”

Bob: “Joe, I’m sorry, but I just can’t drive around in a car because everyone else thinks I should. I have to do what’s right for me and my family.”

Joe: “Fine Bob! As long you have abandoned Toyotas you have abandoned me! We’re done, lose my number!”

Bob: “Joe, it’s only a car, shouldn’t I have a right to decide what car I want to drive?”

Joe: “You made a decision to buy a Toyota when you were 16 Bob!!!  A decision that lasts forever!”

Unfortunately, Bob and Joe haven’t spoken since that day.

Perhaps this sounds a tad unrealistic, or like an exaggeration. But honestly how different is it from the way Jehovah’s Witnesses really act? I know of some of the sweetest old ladies that have never seen their grandchildren because of their obsession to their faith. I know of young adults that were kicked out of their homes because they refused to follow the faith of their parents. I know of lifelong friendships destroyed because someone is “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.” I know of brothers shunning brothers, sisters shunning sisters, mothers shunning daughters, sons shunning fathers………and so on. All of this from a group of religious people that claim to be the MOST loving organization on the planet! This is what religion does to people when they stop thinking for themselves and side with a publishing cult that only cares about money and headcount. This is why I hate religion! This is why I hate the Watchtower society! Because, it’s not the 9 old idiots running this organization that are suffering when this shit happens. It’s my friends and my family.


Origins of Language – The facts, not bible nonsense…

The Tower of Babel proves a literal interpretation of the Bible false!

Throughout the Bible the Israelites used myths and stories in an attempt to explain the creation of things. One of these myths is the well known Tower of Babel. According to the Bible there was only one language in existence before these events occurred (Gen 11:1). I have decided to focus on the Jehovah’s Witnesses in this article for two reasons but this applies to any fundamentalist religion that believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

1. The Watchtower has a lot to say about the matter and I have their Cd-Rom giving me access to most of their literature.

2. I know the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the events in the bible actually happened despite strong evidence disproving those claims.

There are quite a few directions I could take this topic but on this post I’m going to discuss “The Tower of Babel” and the creation of languages.

The Watchtower Society’s (WTS) stand

How?

For over 1700 years after man’s creation it could still be said: “Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words [or, “one vocabulary,” margin].” Confusion of languages came as a result of an act of God. It was Jehovah’s reply to a God-defying people, who endeavored to establish a union of mankind, a world government with headquarters at Babel. The Scriptural account of this reads: “And Jehovah proceeded to go down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men had built. After that Jehovah said: ‘Look! They are one people and there is one language for them all, and this is what they start to do. Why, now there is nothing that they may scheme to do that will be unattainable for them. Come now! Let us go down and there confuse their language that they may not listen to one another’s language.’ Accordingly Jehovah scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth, and they gradually left off building the city. That is why its name was called Babel, because there Jehovah had confused the language of all the earth and Jehovah had scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.”—Gen. 11:1, 5-9, NW

5/15 Watchtower 1956 page.302

When?

“The date of the attempt at building the Tower of Babel is not stated in the record. Genesis 10:25 indicates that the division resulting from the confusion of the languages there occurred sometime during ‘the days of Peleg.’ It does not necessarily follow that this event occurred at Peleg’s birth. The expression “in his days” would in fact indicate that the division took place, not at or immediately subsequent to Peleg’s birth, but sometime during his life span, which extended from 2269 to 2030 B.C.E. If each post-Flood male parent at the age of 30 were to begin fathering children at the rate of one child every three years, with an average of one male child every six years, and continued this until the age of 90, then in a period of about 180 years from the end of the Flood (that is, by 2189 B.C.E.) the population could have grown to a total of over 4,000 adult males. This conservative number would be ample to fit the circumstances relating to the tower construction and the dispersal of the peoples.”

Insight from the Scriptures Vol 1 page 460

My Thoughts again

According to the WTS everyone spoke one language until 2269-2030 B.C.E. This is completely contradictory to everything that we know about languages and culture. No can really say for sure what the oldest written language is but we do know that there were multiple languages in existence prior to 2269 B.C.E.

Sumerian writings have been found predating 3000 B.C.E, some even may date back to 3500 B.C.E. Well before the flood and just 500 years after Adam and ate the fruit.

www.ancientscripts.com/sumerian.html

Egyptian writings have been found that predate 3000 B.C.E. with some as old as 3400 B.C.E. And it is being debated on whether Sumerian or Egyptian is the world’s oldest written language.

www.omniglot.com/writing/egyptian.htm

Akkadian writings date back to 2500 B.C.E. based on discoveries of an ancient clay tablet.

www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

Civilizations in South America predate not only the tower of Babel but even the flood.

www.ancientscripts.com/quipu.html

A simple Google search shows us that there were nations that were flourishing well before the tower of Babel created languages and separated people to the rest of the world. These people lived through the flood of Noah. Their writings continued without interruption and their civilizations failed to mention a flood “sweeping them all away,” at the time that the Bible produces for a global flood according to the WTS. These are absolute reasons that prove that the fundamentalist view of the scriptures according to the WTS is flawed. The Bible was written thousands of years ago it would be foolish to take its advice when it comes to medical treatment (i.e. the blood issue) when it cannot get basic points about the development of language and culture right. And then to force those choices on children, that is something I will never understand.

 


Episode 1 – Leaving the Witnesses

This week George and I created our first podcast! Episode 1 basically contains our experiences leading up to our exit from the Jehovah’s Witnesses with a little bit about ourselves. I hope you enjoy! The opening and closing song is “Serious Killer” from Kismet and their album titled “Phazer.” This song was downloaded from http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/69680. Our first show can be heard here: http://witnesses4atheism.libsyn.com/rss and within a few weeks we hope to be up on iTunes.


Why do I feel a need to be a part of this site?

I would be lying if I said that I did not hold any negative feelings towards the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. For 27 years this organization had truly touched every part of my life. As hard as it is to admit it molded me into the person that I am now. Many of the negative traits that it created, like the judgmental attitude of Witnesses took me years to undo. Fortunately, with time and effort I was able to remove most of these negative traits and use the beneficial ones for my advantage. As a Witness I developed some fairly good public speaking skills and a desire for in depth research. Ironically, it was research that turned me into an atheist. However, the pain that this organization causes is real. This pain is far worse than any beneficial skills the Watchtower Society (WTS) could have provided me with, and it is this pain that has motivated me to stand against the WTS.

I am sure most of us know what it is like to disappoint someone you love. Now, imagine disappointing everyone that you love for a period of years. That is the situation I found myself in 5 years ago when I first decided to leave the organization. My own mother went from being extremely proud of me; to thinking that I had just committed eternal suicide. I can understand her feelings though, because within a year’s time I went from serving as a Ministerial Servant and standing on stage at a district convention because I was an outstanding youth, to deciding to disappear off the face of the JW earth. I know that she prided herself on being a single mother that could raise a pioneer (70 hour a month door knocker) with such spiritual attitude. So, when I left the organization; which, meant so much to her it was like me personally insulting her. I believe that she felt as if I was saying that her religion is not good enough for her son and that she did not do a good job raising me. But, this could not be further from the truth! I feel that I turned out pretty well, I have an amazing wife, a good job and I even just bought a house. I have made some really great friends that are all non-JWs and we will continue to be friend’s years into the future. I love to read, study, and research everything. Yet to all the people that I grew up with I will always be a failure, a traitor and worst of all an apostate (honestly I do not mind being called an apostate).

Some people allow feelings of disappointment to consume them and lead them into a state of depression. Some are afraid to speak out against the organization because close friends and family will shun them. Others do not speak out because they do not have the personality or desire to challenge the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower society. It is for these people, as well as for me, that I speak out. People need to know how the WTS destroys lives. So that the next time your door bell rings you will avoid slaming the door in their face but you will use thought provoking questions to awaken their minds and show them that their “perfect” organization is not directed by God. Another one of my goals is to teach people about Jehovah’s Witnesses so that the next time your friends or family tell you that they are studying the bible with Witnesses you will be able to show the flaws of the religion before they become indoctrinated. If any readers have any questions about the WTS please feel free to ask and I will attempt to promptly answer them.

Jesse


My life as a Jehovah’s Witness

My Story- Jesse

Introduction
I, like George, was indoctrinated into the Jehovah’s Witnesses from an early age. My mother was brought into the organization by my aunt when I was still in elementary school. I can even vaguely remember the day that my mother was baptized. I remember it happened at a district convention at the Hawthorne Race Track in Cicero, IL. The only thing that I remember from the day was wondering where my mother was for the first half of the convention. I remember standing by the baptism pool with my aunt, yet I had no clue why. Little did I know the profound affect that this event would have on the rest of my life.

My father never became a Jehovah’s Witness and was in and out of my life so the only parental influence I really had was my mothers. Throughout most of my life we stayed somewhat regular with spurts of irregularity due to my mother’s health. At around 15 I started “making the truth my own.”

My Dedication
When I was 16 and halfway through sophomore year I started homeschooling. This gave me the free time to regularly read the bible, prepare for all the meetings and exert myself in the field ministry. This combined with a large group of “spiritually-minded” youths at my kingdom hall motivated me dedicated myself to Jehovah and follow that dedication up with baptism in Dec, 2000. As soon as my head came up from that water I was ready to start pioneering. Of course I needed to wait six months first, so I spent the next six months as an Aux pioneer.

Serving as a Full-time minister
Pioneering was mixed with some of the best and worst memories that I will ever have. I remember once a month on Wednesdays, in an effort to get more people out in service we would have a lunch at the kingdom hall. This involved people bringing all kinds of delicious foods to the hall to be enjoyed after a morning in the ministry. It became very popular and resulted in groups of 30 to 40 people out on a weekday. It was during these months of pioneering that I met George my best friend, I also got to know my wife and another friend who was my first roommate who were all pioneers. My roommate and I even developed a reputation at our kingdom hall and were called “the sons of thunder” because we were always looking for battles in the field ministry. We were so arrogant and disrespectful that we would even go into churches looking for fights. It seemed like years that we all were on a spiritual high. And, that’s exactly what it was, we were “high” on religion because life was easy and problem free. Eventually real life started and things changed forever.

Real Life and my eventual inactivity
At 21 I married a pioneer sister and shortly after, I was appointed as a Ministerial Servant. My life should have been great. We were living a simple life in an attempt to serve Jehovah better. We were both extremely busy with spiritual things, work and our relationship. Unfortunately, life was quickly becoming depressing. Because I was dedicating my whole life to Jehovah I assumed to he would continue to provide for me. But, he did not. My talks were becoming a chore rather than a joy, I was starting to despise the field ministry and meetings were beginning to bore me. I was quickly becoming sick of the organization and longed for a chance to leave. I was tired of the same old talks, I was tired of the dominating judgmental personality of the elder body, I was tired of the constant gossip, and most importantly I was tired of how I was becoming just like the elders that I couldn’t stand. Meanwhile I still continued to give outstanding talks and comments. I would even occasionally conduct book studies. Then something shocking happened, something that eventually would result in the best decision I have ever made.

The Shocking event that changed everything
My close friend and former roommate was disfellowshipped. I knew why he was disfellowshipped and I knew well before the announcement that it was going to happen. This was a golden opportunity for me to leave the organization without completely isolating myself socially. So, I told the elders that I was resigning as an MS and that I was going to stop attending meetings and go inactive. For the next few weeks I was bombarded with phone calls and text messages. Some were positive and offered encouragement and some were negative and condemned me. Everyone cut me off, even the people I had known since I was 11 years old when I moved to the kingdom hall, and I wasn’t even disfellowshipped or disassociated. The next couple years were lonely and depressing. I was constantly tempted to return to the organization to reclaim my lost associates. But, I held strong and I refused to return. Eventually, I made new friends, real friends. At that point I still thought the JWs could have “the truth” but I didn’t care because I was finally, completely happy. I had no desire to ever return to the organization. In the end leaving was the greatest decision that I have ever made.

Within the past year I have started studying world religions, science, archeology, anthropology, textual criticism, psychology and the history of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now I can say with conviction and evidence that the Jehovah’s witnesses DO NOT have “the truth” and they are in fact a horrible cult that destroys families, leads to depression and have caused thousands of innocent people their lives. My purpose of this blog is to stand against this disgusting organization. Hopefully someone will be able to use what I have learned to prevent them andor their family and friends from dedicating themselves to the Watchtower Society.

A side note about my atheism
In my quest for knowledge regarding the “truth” claim of the Jehovah’s Witnesses I became an Atheist. I am not an anti-theist but I do think religious fundamentalism is slowly leading our world down a dangerous path. I plan to also devote a large portion of this blog to my belief that there is no god and why I feel that way.